CHESTER HAS MOVED!: Battle of Grozny Study

Thursday, November 11, 2004

Battle of Grozny Study

Many links from Alert Readers tonight. An Alert Reader emails: "I am a former Marine (E-4, 0311 primary, 3/7 Camp LeJune, N.C. ’89-92) Gulf War Vet and I also worked as a war correspondent/TV Producer from 1992 until 1996. During That time I covered most of the fighting in Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Nagorno-Karabagh, Georgia, Afghanistan and Chechnya. "The knocking holes through walls tactic was actually developed during Stalingrad, but was most effectively used recently by the Chechens during the battle of Grozny from Dec. ’94 until Feb.’95.  It would not surprise me if there are some Chechens in Falluja presently, or in fact, had trained these particular Muj prior to the assault on the city. "In fact, all that I have read of late about the Muj’s tactics seems to prove that they are following the exact lessons and tactics that the Chechens used in Grozny in ’94.  Unfortunately, for them….the US Marines are not the Russian Army. I’ll send you a link to the US Army study of the Battle of Grozny that I have somewhere soon, and you may see for yourself." PARAMETERS, US Army War College Quarterly - Summer 1999


Blogger carlee said...

From the Washington Post:

In the industrial area on Fallujah's south side, residents said Thursday that the bodies of 20 foreign fighters had been found outside a truck repair shop, many killed by a single shot to the head. Insurgents native to Fallujah said the foreigners were executed for deserting their positions when the U.S.-led assault on the city began Monday night....

As the new refugees recounted the events of recent days and weeks, a picture of the battle from the insurgents' side began to emerge. Witnesses described an insurgency fractured by distrust and rivalries between locals and foreigners, and visibly shaken by the thunderous U.S. assault.

The foreigners found slain Thursday in southern Fallujah were described as foot soldiers with Monotheism and Jihad, a guerrilla group headed by Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi that now calls itself al Qaeda in Iraq. In the plans developed by insurgent leaders for a coordinated defense of the city, Zarqawi's fighters were to man bunkers in two neighborhoods, according to witnesses. Others were to be defended by various Iraqi insurgent groups, including the First Army of Mohammad and Ansar al-Sunna Army.

But residents said strains between the local insurgents and the foreigners quickly turned into a deep schism under the intense pressure of the U.S.-led offensive. When a senior Zarqawi commander was found dead of a bullet to the head during the battle, debate ensued over whether he was killed from a distance by a U.S. sniper or at close range by an Iraqi insurgent, residents said.

Residents said everyone in the city, including the insurgents, was stunned by the firepower the Americans brought to the battle. Guerrillas counted 40 armored vehicles approaching their positions as night fell Monday.

The insurgents suffered their worst single loss -- at least 50 dead -- counterattacking U.S. forces who had taken the Rawdha Muhammediya mosque that had served as the insurgency's headquarters, witnesses said. The witnesses said they also counted as many as 10 American bodies.

November 11, 2004 at 7:34 PM  
Blogger PureData said...


US Bodies are evacuated as fast as wounded are. I doubt this story. The press shows its stupidity all the time because it has no knowledge of US SOP.


Chechens? Blackwater thinks Chechens may have hit a team near the Baghdad X in June.

I also read some more AAR on this incident but can't find the report. The Blackwater team leader was a former SEAL officer. They charged the ambush team and got behind it, killing and wounding over 2/3 of the attackers. The three team members that survived were all seriously wounded. Two died during the initial ambush and two more died while providing covering fire.

November 11, 2004 at 8:19 PM  
Blogger PureData said...

Something else - don't know where to put it - but retired USMC COL GI Wilson, an authority on Guerilla Warfare, was recalled to duty in April (?)and went to Iraq in June(?).

You might want to read his papers then compare US tactics pre and post Wilson. It sure seems like we've taken the de-escalation route and let the jihadis do all the heinous, inciteful things that turn the population to us away from them..

"The lessons learned on Somalia, and the 4th Generation Warfare predictions from Col G.I. Wilson, USMC (retired, recalled, and now in Iraq)"

His blog comments and writings stopped in late winter..and then it popped up that he had been recalled.

Someone ought to recall Hackworth and draft Lind, too. Put up or shut up.

November 11, 2004 at 8:41 PM  

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