CHESTER HAS MOVED!: Another Update from Ukraine

Friday, November 26, 2004

Another Update from Ukraine

Here is another update from the Alert Reader in Ukraine. Again, not including his name. Yesterday, another Alert Reader had quite a different take on events and posted his thoughts in the comments section. We welcome debate here at The Adventures of Chester and appreciate the differing viewpoints. Personally, while it seems instinctual to support the candidate that is the pick of our own elected officials, if I was a Ukrainian it would certainly be a bit unnerving to hear of so many foreigners interfering in our electoral results, no matter whom I supported. So far though I think the US, while clearly preferring one candidate over the other, is questioning the process and not just transparently trying to change the outcome of a fair election to favor our guy. Two more thoughts: It would be interesting to find some Ukrainian bloggers . . . Also, thanks to the Alert Reader who emailed me the Samuel Huntington graphic I mentioned yesterday. I am having trouble displaying it (you may have noticed The Adventures of Chester has never displayed photos or graphics . . . we're working on that). ------------------------------------------------------ Here I am at the Marin train station. At least 10,000 more protestors here today than yesterday. Maybe the slightly warmer temperatures are helping with the amount of Yuchenko supporters. Today I actually saw the first supporter of Yanokovich. Not bad for my seventh day in Ukraine. However, the govt still has the power. Yuchenkos supporters whom I will call the yellows have surrounded all the main govt buildings in Kiev and big cities such as Simferopol, Lvov, and now in Dneipperprotrosk. The only big city where they appear not in the majority is the home of Yanokovich which is Donesk in the east the coal and industrial heart of Ukraine. The supreme court of Ukraine will look into this matter on Monday. Whether the yellows can hold out that long depends a lot on the weather. I will be back in Germany by then and in a warm bed, warm house and good job, not like my Ukrainian friends. Call and email your congressmen about these terrible riggings of an election by a common thief who is a puppet of Putin. Sen Lugar and a couple of U S Congressmen are here with the American Ambassador in Kiev. Colin Powell and the EU is putting up a lot of pressure. Yesterday I saw Lech Walessa of Poland in the square cheering on the Yuchenko supporters in Independence Sq. Lots of singers are giving free concerts to get the people dancing and warming themselves up. Riding the subway is a near disaster with so many people from outside Kiev in town. Remind me to never encourage Ukraine to have a Rose Parade. Not enough hotels. So far I have seen a few people beaten, but have never had an interpreter with me to find out how they were hurt. Check and verify is my motto. Hopefully the airport will remain open through Sunday. Semper Fi XXXXXXXXXX

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Chester,

Here's a good Ukrainian blog, which very helpfully includes a list of other Ukrainian blogs.
http://www.fistfulofeuros.net/

November 26, 2004 at 10:08 AM  
Blogger conelrad1952 said...

Ukraine bloggers: along with fistfullofeuros, there's Le Sabot Post-Moderne and

Maidan: Ukraine

November 26, 2004 at 10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chester,

here are some facts you aren't getting from the one-sided perspective of your contributor:

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsViews.htm

November 26, 2004 at 4:17 PM  
Blogger KurtP said...

Hi Chester,
In the "help" section of Blogger, the have a downloadable link to a site called "Hello".

If you can get the images into your computer, it's as easy as adding attatchments to e-mail.
Here are what some I've transferred look like:

http://atrainwreckinmaxwell.blogspot.com/2004/11/three-brakemen-new-one-on-leftposted.html

and from the site "werenotsorry:

http://atrainwreckinmaxwell.blogspot.com/2004/11/hot-or-not.html

Hope this helps for now,

Kurt

November 26, 2004 at 5:36 PM  
Blogger Oregonian Purple said...

Chester:

I think the question for the West is not which candidate to support, whether one is truly pro-West, and the other pro-Russian, or just two different versions of Ukrainian identities. The West should simply support open election and let the people of the nation decide the outcome. No election will ever be squeaky clean, not even in U.S. If the loser of a close election always feel like he can call for strike to paralyse the government in order to win, democracy can not exit.

Calling a head of state names like thugs or other things does not help either. As much as I detested Kerry, if the election outcome in Ohio were 200,000 counts different, he might be our next president, and I would still, out of respect for the office and for the process, choose not to be disruptive.

On the other hand, the "lefties" are much more likely to stage massive demonstrations and such to press for their victory. Therefore, the readiness of Mr. Yushchenko to call for strike makes me more weary of him. There are many dangers of this type of populists, who tends to appeal to the radicals likely to take to the street to press their victory.

Another point to consider is that in a few months, (little more than 2 months), the result of the first Iraqi election will likely be a point of contention by many who opposed the U.S. led coalition, so it is extremely important for U.S. leaders to stay clear of a course in Ukraine that would appear to be muddling with internal affair of another sovereign nation.

November 26, 2004 at 6:08 PM  
Blogger someone said...

Interesting quantitative view on the legitimacy of the Ukrainian election.

Smells cooked to me.

November 26, 2004 at 6:37 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Here are two more maps breaking down the election in the Ukraine very nicely.

http://www.scsuscholars.com/
2004_11_01_scsu-scholars_archive.html

November 26, 2004 at 8:11 PM  
Blogger exguru said...

I think we should ask ourselves what is in the interests of the United States, not what is in the interests of the Ukrainians. If it doesn't make any difference to us, then the latter, but only then.

This country is not of terribly much consequence to us, but Russia is. I feel that Putin is keeping the lid on over there, giving capitalism time to work it magic. He also cooperates in the war on terror. He probably has good reasons for supporting the "bad" guy, from his point of view.

I am not convinced the "good" guy is pure as the driven snow. He is very coercive in his western part of the country, by all acounts. It is also said he will kiss and make up with Putin if he wins.

Most of all, I resent the one-sided coverage by the liberal media in America. The more liberal the American commentator, the more bent out of shape he is about the "stolen" election. Why all the passion? It could be the "good" guy here is red as a geranium. What do we know about it all? Not much. But if Bush and Powell have different opinions, as seems to be the case, I'm inclined to stick with Bush. The people of the Ukraine are probably not going to win, anyway. And the NY Times interest is likely to be a goverment which supports Law of the Sea, Kyoto, and the World Court, not to mention the Kleptocracy on the East River. We should be chary of this revolution, and we should remember Putin is hated because he is not a Western European socialist.

November 27, 2004 at 2:16 AM  
Blogger tagryn said...

Srdja Trifkovic's article at chroniclesmagazine.org wasn't convincing for a couple of reasons:

1.Trifkovic assumes Yushchenko victory would be a win for Chechen Islamists, and that colors his entire essay. Unfortunately, he doesn't explain why this would be so, other than that the Islamists are anti-Moscow and Yushchenko is pro-Western. Pretty weak reasoning.

2. Even more problematic is Trifkovic blithely comparing Yushchenko's supporters to WWII Ukranian Nazi collaborators later in his essay. I don't know which is more insulting to the reader, the ad hominem itself or how sloppily it was used in the essay: using a (biased?) description of a small segment of his supporters to slur the entire group. It was pretty easy to see through, but the fact that the author thought so little of his readers that he apparently believed we wouldn't notice just wrecks the whole essay.

November 27, 2004 at 3:30 PM  
Blogger Michael Sanches said...

Here is a good post on a blog by a marine that fought in Fallujah. It includes units involved, the plann of attack, and a couple of stories. Click it home page to see some pictures of him in Fallujah.

http://www.thegreenside.com/story.asp?ContentID=11151

Mike

November 28, 2004 at 2:36 AM  

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