CHESTER HAS MOVED!: Upstart Saudi Al-Qaeda Leader's Threat Means Navy Supply Ships Don't Use Suez Canal

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Upstart Saudi Al-Qaeda Leader's Threat Means Navy Supply Ships Don't Use Suez Canal

As a precautionary measure, the US Navy has diverted at least 12 massive supply ships from the Suez Canal and sent them around the Cape of Good Hope instead.
In the past few months, however, U.S. and British authorities have cautioned of threats to shipping in the Middle East. One U.S. warning in mid-December said significant attacks could take place in the Suez Canal and other "choke points" -- narrow channels where vulnerable ships, if damaged or sunk, would significantly disrupt commerce. Analysts took particular note of the recent rise of Saud Hamud al-Utaibi in al-Qaida's leadership. He is a maritime terror expert believed to have been responsible for the attacks on the USS Cole and the French supertanker MV Limburg. "Al-Utaibi is the new head of al-Qaida on the Arabian peninsula, and that heightens the threat to shipping certainly within that region," Dominic Armstrong, head of intelligence and research for Aegis Defense Services, an international consulting firm, said in a telephone interview from London.
UPDATE: The Close-In Weapons System, sporting two 20mm fully automated heavy machine guns, is an example of the type of self-defense weapon with which the supply ships are not equipped. More:
Phalanx is a point-defense, total-weapon system consisting of two 20mm gun mounts that provide a terminal defense against incoming air targets. CIWS, without assistance from other shipboard systems, will automatically engage incoming anti-ship missiles and high-speed, low-level aircraft that have penetrated the ship primary defense envelope. As a unitized system, CIWS automatically performs search, detecting, tracking, threat evaluation, firing, and kill assessments of targets while providing for manual override. Each gun mount houses a fire control assembly and a gun subsystem. The fire control assembly is composed of a search radar for surveillance and detection of hostile targets and a track radar for aiming the gun while tracking a target. The unique closed-loop fire control system that tracks both the incoming target and the stream of outgoing projectiles gives CIWS the capability to correct its aim to hit fast-moving targets, including ASMs.
Could this system be effective against speedboats as well? A question for you Navy readers out there.

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Blogger MachiasPrivateer said...

The question is that as an anti-missile system, CIWS has an effective range of 500 to 1500 yards and it is intended to sense targets against a uniform horizon. While the guns have an elevation range of -25 to +80 degrees, the question will be can it work inside 500 yards? So if you are in an extremely restricted waterway, can the enemy get inside its effective range? You might address the problem with a maritime "cavalry" unit working a screen ala WW II convoy duty. Put a minesweper in the van and sandwich the ships between gunboats and it could work. Absent that, going around the Cape of Good Hope is fail safe.

January 14, 2005 at 5:21 PM  
Blogger USMC_Vet said...

Regarding getting within range...if I were wearing loose clothing with head-dress and armed to take out a supply ship with a missile, i would be rooftop near the banks if possible or concealed on the shoreline of the canal. That's within range and defeats radar, I'd say. But, how many anti-ship missiles are manports?

Regarding the convoy escort...wow, that's an expensive escort. Unless it's critical need supply, I'd send 'em 'round the horn if threats warrant more often than not.

I'm still waiting for the Straits of Hormuz to be obstructed with the hull of a sunken tanker...but just as they target us and our supply, they slit their own throats via sales. Takes money to fund a jihad. Khamenei does like his money (Allah be praised or not).

January 14, 2005 at 6:45 PM  
Blogger MachiasPrivateer said...

I agree with the previous commenter in his point about manports. The range of even a true antiship mine of say 1000 lbs. (the maritme equivalent to an IED) is very small - ships are shock tested with pretty big charges. The use of infantry weapons against ships was tried and failed in the Iran-Iraq "Tanker War". Truck bombs are out as trucks don't float. So our primary threats are mines (or their anchors) that are sitting on the bottom directly in the path of the ship (which is well defined in the Suez Canal). Here we use a clammer to rake them up! Or "boat bombs" ala the USS Cole, where we arm the lookouts with manport anti-tank weapons not machine guns. Any boat in our zone of discomfort gets blown up! But you can't do this kind of aggressive defense in the Canal without the approval of the Egyptians! So round the Cape of Good Hope we go.

January 14, 2005 at 11:48 PM  
Blogger MachiasPrivateer said...

Considering the Straits of Hormuz - From the tanker war we know that anti-ship missiles (e.g. Exocet) won't sink a supertanker. It takes the forces of nature in a violent storm or a self-destructive impulse (running aground like the Exxon Valdez) to do that. So the only chance they have is a kamikaze ship filled with explosives right alongside (the one attack using a good size boat didn't succeed in sinking the tanker). So they try to supersize the boat, but our tanker captain turns his ship head on and goes to ramming speed. The tanker is now a 1000 foot trireme with a beautiful bulbous bow to split the terrorists in half. A proof of the pudding is what happens to carrier escorts that stumble into the path of the carriers. Remember the Belknap? So don't allow them to board you as pirates and don't let them come alongside and you've got an effective defense. BTW, if you're in port with a destroyer and are worried about divers, give them periodic shots of active sonar to blow out their eardrums and destroy their sense of balance!

This is war and it's not time to play nice!

January 15, 2005 at 1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a navy type, but the answer for speedboat defense is no. The system uses doppler radar for target acquisition and tracking, and speedboats, especially with non-metal hulls, are notoriously difficult targets to acquire. This was a contributing factor to the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655, where USS Vincennes was engaging a number of speedboats with its 5" guns and having a very hard time of it. Basically, you'd probably be better of with four manned M2 machine guns, one on each side of the port and stern than with an expensive countermissile system, with the targeting system being a Mk. 1 eyeball.


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January 15, 2005 at 1:58 AM  
Blogger Peyton said...

If Phalanx could be manually targetted, it would be excellent, but it's only automatically targeted. We used to use the Vulcan cannon for air defense, a manually-aimed 20mm rotary cannon like the Phalanx. It would tear up light armor and soft-skin vehicles, and would be great against small boats. It's not there, though.

I'd bet a big pile of money that rules of engagement in the Suez Canal would be awfully tight. I don't think that the Egyptians would allow engagement of threats, only attackers. Once a boat-born explosive device is identified as a for-sure attack, it's just blown up against the hull of your cargo ship. Around the Horn they go.

January 15, 2005 at 5:27 AM  
Blogger USMC_Vet said...

Thanks Peyton...I was wondering about manually targeting Phalanx, but for some reason the question never made it to my post.

Machias, your new name is now Privateer the Plethora. Knowledge and logic are a mighty 'trireme' of a tandem. Thanks for the input. My knowledge of the Tanker Wars is embarrassingly thin. Would have assumed an Exocet would pierce a tanker and have its lunch. Important point to make on this topic.

Every day you learn something new...some days more than others.

Damned Egyptians. It is neither ironic nor surprising that even our largely Muslim 'allies' seem to resist us at every turn...with a smile.

"Amriki, you cannot fire until fired upon."

"BOOOOOM!!!"

"Amriki, that was a bomber. You have clearance to fire."

Hi-ho, hi-ho, It's 'round the Horn we go...

January 15, 2005 at 7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted a comment thanking those above for their insightful comments. Blogger engine puked again, I suppose. I am growing tired of lost posts and comments, Mr. Blogger.

Great knowledge being shared. Thanks for the lesson from the Tanker Wars...& was wondering about manual sighting of Phalanx...seems odd that it cannot be manually sighted.

Ask a Phalanx tech and I'll bet there is a test proceedure that requires it for calibration...wouldn't take much of a retrofit to include that optional mode of operation (speaking as an old Raytheon HAWK missile systems tech). It ain't rocket science, fellers.

Find a good, ambitious tech & tell him you want to make it do X...and he will make it do X. Might need some manufacturer support. You can't tell this old tech that it cannot be positioned manually. You can tell me there's no sighting system, that I will accept. So, through a mounted camera linked to a monitor (both optical and IR) and calibrate it. Not too friggin expensive a fit.

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Slightly off topic but of interest:

NORAD's New Role: Hunting bin Laden's al Qaida Armada

January 16, 2005 at 12:33 AM  
Blogger USMC_Vet said...

I posted a comment thanking those above for their insightful comments. Blogger engine puked again, I suppose. I am growing tired of lost posts and comments, Mr. Blogger.

Great knowledge being shared. Thanks for the lesson from the Tanker Wars...& was wondering about manual sighting of Phalanx...seems odd that it cannot be manually sighted.

Ask a Phalanx tech and I'll bet there is a test proceedure that requires it for calibration...wouldn't take much of a retrofit to include that optional mode of operation (speaking as an old Raytheon HAWK missile systems tech). It ain't rocket science, fellers.

Find a good, ambitious tech & tell him you want to make it do X...and he will make it do X. Might need some manufacturer support. You can't tell this old tech that it cannot be positioned manually. You can tell me there's no sighting system, that I will accept. So, through a mounted camera linked to a monitor (both optical and IR) and calibrate it. Not too friggin expensive a fit.

There's a solution, just get it damned done.

Slightly off topic but of interest:

NORAD's New Role: Hunting bin Laden's al Qaida Armada

January 16, 2005 at 12:33 AM  
Blogger KiwiB said...

The Phalanx CIWS Block 1B update, brought into service in the late 90's, incorporated a FLIR to deal with the specific threat of fast attack craft (one presumes that the Iranian love of these may have been an issue).

Simply put, it now has man in the loop capability and has been updated to shred small boats.

If anyone has experience of gatling type weapons used in a naval context, I'd love to read what they can do against surface craft.

Cheers

Kiwi B

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